<![CDATA[The J/109 Class Association Forum]]> http://j109.org/forum Wed, 08 Feb 2023 08:26:59 -0500 Smartfeed extension for phpBB http://j109.org/forum/styles/prosilver/theme/images/site_logo.svg <![CDATA[The J/109 Class Association Forum]]> http://j109.org/forum en-us Wed, 08 Feb 2023 08:26:59 -0500 60 <![CDATA[Class Rules Discussions :: World Sailing Categorization Problems With Website :: Reply by Vento Solare]]> http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=1554&p=2285#p2285 no_email@example.com (Vento Solare) http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=1554&p=2285#p2285 Sat, 08 Oct 2022 07:07:32 -0400 http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=1554&p=2285#p2285 <![CDATA[Class Rules Discussions :: Lithium batteries for J/109 class :: Reply by Dan Corcoran]]> http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=1494&p=2314#p2314
One of the things I like about the Odyseey if they offer different size batteries. I use one of the largest batteries as my house battery (126 Ahr is it?), and then the smaller battery intended for motorcycles (28 Ahr?), for my starter battery. Together I achieved the required 150 Ahr minimum at a big weight savings over having a larger starter battery. One of the reasons the starter battery can be so small, is that the TPPL chemistry allows the battery to perform well in either house or starter battery role.

Some things I had to take into consideration.
(1) These specialized lead acid batteries work at different voltages than standard lead acid. You need to slightly increase the float voltage or the battery can quickly lose its maximum storage capability. Our default chargers can be configured this way, but also measure the voltage that actually arrives at the battery during float charge to make sure it is in the middle to high end of the recommended float charge voltage. I found that the 109 chargers displayed voltage was not as high as what arrived at the battery.
(2) No battery likes to be overcharged, making your starter battery smaller makes the problem worse. Leaving the power switch on "both" is really bad no matter what battery chemistry you use. I needed to isolate my starter battery from the alternator output. That in turn meant that while engine was running, the house battery received power while the starter battery drained at a rate of 1 AHr per hour. On a small battery, running your engine for say 18 hours is enough to make a 28Ahr battery unable to start the engine. The solution was to (i) run an additional wire from the battery switches to the engine compartment so that the alternator output and the engine starter didn't share the same red wire. (ii) install a DC to DC charger between the house battery and the starter battery, to honor the starter battery's correct charging profile and keep it from draining while the engine is running. (iii) run a lead from the engine start switch to the DC to DC charger so that it turns on only when the key is not off, this point is important, as you don't want the electronics of the DC to DC charger using energy when the boat is idle. I used a Balmar DC to DC charger, which has a slight issue of introducing noise in electrical circuits which require circle magnet things and one of the wires being 10 foot long, to defeat. I would instead recommend the newer Victron product if it has the same ability to be rigged to the on/off starter switch. Like the Victron Energy Orion-Tr Smart 12/12-Volt 18 or 30 Amp.
(3) Having batteries of multiple chemistries can create additional issues, doing the above you can still have your starter battery and firefly be different chemistries.
(4) These new batteries (firefly and odyssey) have a lower resistance, which means a short will greatly increase the amount of current released. Older-style fuses won't stop this current rush, it will jump right over, so add a T-fuse to each battery that you upgrade to Firefly (or Odyssey)
(5) In 2 above you added an extra wire between the switches and the engine compartment. If you are willing to dedicate an on/off switch to the starter battery, you can repurpose your 1-2-B-Off switch for more flexibility per this article by Rod Collins https://marinehowto.com/1-2-both-batter ... derations/
(6) I found that the battery wires were undersized from the battery to the battery switches. Upgrading the wire one size can reduce voltage drops. Considering the short run, the weight addition is reasonable. Getting 45 degree battery lug made the install easier for me to route the wires and keep them short.

Note 1: if your house battery fails (never happened to me, more of an issue with Lithium batteries), have a plan like a ready-made jumper so you can get your alternator output connected to your house battery directly if your DC to DC charger is just a couple of amps. Otherwise all your alternator output will be trickling too slow if your running your house loads on your starter battery. I suppose if you have the 18 or 30 Amp Victron, that won't be an issue.]]>
no_email@example.com (Dan Corcoran) http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=1494&p=2314#p2314 Mon, 28 Nov 2022 15:46:30 -0500 http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=1494&p=2314#p2314
<![CDATA[Class Rules Discussions :: Checklist 2023 NAC :: Author Bengt J]]> http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=1571&p=2337#p2337
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no_email@example.com (Bengt J) http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=1571&p=2337#p2337 Fri, 13 Jan 2023 14:12:26 -0500 http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=1571&p=2337#p2337
<![CDATA[Class Rules Discussions :: Class Rules Interpretation for Handrails and Rope Clutches :: Reply by Vento Solare]]> http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=1032&p=2345#p2345 Cousin-Trestec).]]> no_email@example.com (Vento Solare) http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=1032&p=2345#p2345 Sun, 29 Jan 2023 22:14:24 -0500 http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=1032&p=2345#p2345 <![CDATA[Maintenance Topics :: Replacement fuel gauge? :: Reply by Vento Solare]]> http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1550&p=2273#p2273
I would measure the voltage at the engine panel fuel gauge connection. There should be 3 wires including +12V, Ground, and the sending unit.]]>
no_email@example.com (Vento Solare) http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1550&p=2273#p2273 Mon, 12 Sep 2022 07:48:50 -0400 http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1550&p=2273#p2273
<![CDATA[Maintenance Topics :: Spacer under jib cheek block :: Author 7200]]> http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1552&p=2274#p2274 no_email@example.com (7200) http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1552&p=2274#p2274 Fri, 16 Sep 2022 15:40:28 -0400 http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1552&p=2274#p2274 <![CDATA[Maintenance Topics :: Sparcraft mast & boom parts hard to obtain :: Reply by Arne Moritz]]> http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1538&p=2297#p2297 Here in Germany I just got the same part (pin for aft of the boom) delivered within a few days from stock.
Was around 10 Eur. from Hahnfeld Masten.
Maybe ordering from there?
Shipping cannot be too expensive.]]>
no_email@example.com (Arne Moritz) http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1538&p=2297#p2297 Wed, 02 Nov 2022 14:18:58 -0400 http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1538&p=2297#p2297
<![CDATA[Maintenance Topics :: Leak from Chainplate bolts :: Reply by Vento Solare]]> http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1559&p=2298#p2298
1. Loosen and remove shrouds
2. Unscrew the 3 phillips head screws and acorn nuts bolting the chainplate through the deck
3. On attempting to unscrew the tie rod from the trunion using a 1/2" wrench it was found that the tang cup and screw in cap were seized and would not allow the rod to rotate. Using WD40 sprayed into the tang cup area and hitting the cap with a hammer broke this free.
4. A metal putty knife was tapped around the seal between the deck and chainplate to break the seal.
5. A 1/2" wrench was used to unscrew the tie rod. This required going a partial turn in both directions to break the seal. Once the seal was broken, the tie rod with the chainplate held on by screw in cap was unscrewed all the way and pulled out the top.
Note: The Screw in Cap can NOT be turned to remove it while the chainplate is in the deck. The tie rod is at an angle to the chainplate hole. A cutout on the screw in cap is positioned facing outboard to allow this angle.

Once the assembly was removed, all the pieces were wire brushed and cleaned. The spanner wrench was not needed for the screw in cap. After all the pieces were cleaned the tie rod was screwed into the trunion to chase the threads clean. This resulted in being able to screw and unscrew by hand without without using the 1/2" wrench. The deck was inspected and found that this hull was properly built (e.g. all high density board and not balsa core around the chainplate). The rod was die penetrant inspected for cracks with none found.

The deck flatness was checked with a straight edge and it appeared there was some permanent deformation (dishing in) on the top surface.

It was apparent that the source of the leak was due to the holes not being countersunk. Thus over time the bedding compound broke down at the places where fasteners and the chainplate entered the deck from topside. The screw holes were countersunk topside and a a small bevel ground in the top deck surface for the chainplate hole. This allowed the new bedding compound to form a "washer" around these areas and be less susceptible to leaking.

Reassembly is as follows.
1. Put the chainplate in the hole and apply masking tape around the circumference so that a clean line can be made with the bedding compound.
2. Reassemble the screw in cap and tang cup to the chainplate. I put Tefgel on the tang cup and flared end of tie rod to help rotating and prevent friction when turning the tie rod. Note the screw in cap may not be fully tightened the final turn as the slot needs to be positioned facing outboard.
3. Place the trim ring over the hole on the setee shelf so it is in position when the tie rod is inserted. This will be slid up the tie rod in a later step.
4. Put the three screws through the chainplate and hold in position. Apply bedding compound on the underside of the chainplate and on the threads of each screw and the deck inside the masked area.
5. Insert the tie rod through the deck hole, trim ring and through the hole in the shelf.
6. Apply blue Loctite to the tie rod threads.
7. Screw the tie rod into the trunion. As the rod is screwed in, the chainplate will be drawn into the deck hole. When the screws are able to be inserted the deck, align the chainplate and push the screws in the holes. Note the scew in cap may need rotating so the slot faces outboard.
8. Continue to screw the tie rod in until the chainplate sits flush on the deck. Fully push the screws through the deck.
9. Slide the trim ring up the tie rod over the screws and put the acorn nuts on the screws.
10. Tighten the acorn nuts firmly. This will extrude bedding compound around the chainplate.
11. Use a 1/2" wrench and tighten the tie rod. I used the deck compression checks as described in the morganscloud post above..
12. Check acorn nuts and tighten if needed.
13. Clean excess bedding compound and smooth a bead around chainplate, then remove masking tape.
14. Reattach shrouds. Allow sufficient time for bedding compund to cure before adjusting shroud tension.


Chainplate assembly unscrewed, before removal

Deck cleaned showing holes not countersunk

Deck deformation inboard

Deck deformation outboard

Chainplate rebedded with masking

Underside rebedded with trim ring and screw in cover aligned

Chainplate rebedded with masking removed
no_email@example.com (Vento Solare) http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1559&p=2298#p2298 Thu, 03 Nov 2022 21:27:52 -0400 http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1559&p=2298#p2298
<![CDATA[Maintenance Topics :: Moving speed sensor to centerline :: Reply by Vento Solare]]> http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1560&p=2304#p2304
What could be done is to build up the inside flat surface once the plywood is cut and tab that to the plywood fore and aft, thus extending the newly formed flat surface as a structural member that reattaches the area cut. Just make sure there are enough threads exposed on the plastic transducer housing to screw in the nut on the housing.]]>
no_email@example.com (Vento Solare) http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1560&p=2304#p2304 Wed, 16 Nov 2022 10:15:48 -0500 http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1560&p=2304#p2304
<![CDATA[Maintenance Topics :: Ring dings :: Reply by carlbraden]]> http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1539&p=2306#p2306 Carl]]> no_email@example.com (carlbraden) http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1539&p=2306#p2306 Wed, 16 Nov 2022 21:26:48 -0500 http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1539&p=2306#p2306 <![CDATA[Maintenance Topics :: Transmission :: Reply by carlbraden]]> http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1564&p=2321#p2321 We had a similar issue that was because the throttle/gear handle had come lose - ie the center screw (Philips head) allowed the handle to not be centered for idle.
Anyway check that the screw and handle is tight.
Good luck.
no_email@example.com (carlbraden) http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1564&p=2321#p2321 Mon, 19 Dec 2022 18:17:32 -0500 http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1564&p=2321#p2321
<![CDATA[Maintenance Topics :: Computer Keels and Fairing a Keel :: Reply by JohnGreifzu]]> http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1565&p=2328#p2328 no_email@example.com (JohnGreifzu) http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1565&p=2328#p2328 Thu, 22 Dec 2022 14:43:31 -0500 http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1565&p=2328#p2328 <![CDATA[Maintenance Topics :: Correct Edson Parts For Steering Rebuild :: Reply by Dan Corcoran]]> http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1567&p=2331#p2331 no_email@example.com (Dan Corcoran) http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1567&p=2331#p2331 Thu, 29 Dec 2022 22:08:30 -0500 http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1567&p=2331#p2331 <![CDATA[Maintenance Topics :: Backstay too long? :: Reply by dbrousseau]]> http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1570&p=2341#p2341 no_email@example.com (dbrousseau) http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1570&p=2341#p2341 Thu, 26 Jan 2023 14:28:06 -0500 http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1570&p=2341#p2341 <![CDATA[Maintenance Topics :: Harken Winch Drum Resurfacing :: Reply by TSweather]]> http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1332&p=2347#p2347
Any regrets or reason to stand strong behind Performa version?

If I had the chance to do it all over again, I would still stick with the Performa winches. While they do have a bit more aggressive texture on the drums, the only reason we even considered the upgrade was that the old ones had become worn and slippery. The texture is progressive from bottom to top meaning that it is smoother at the bottom of the drum for easing sheets under load and line handling in lighter air while having a more aggressive texture towards the top for when the self tailer is engaged.

We have found them to be a fantastic all around design. There are less parts requiring grease than the older models, so less to clean in yearly service and while our jib sheets are showing some minor abrasion after 3 years of use, newer cordage offerings tend to have tougher covers that hold up well to the drum surface texture. They are also lighter than the previous models and whether you are cruising or racing, the option to have less wraps is always a positive in my opinion.]]>
no_email@example.com (TSweather) http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1332&p=2347#p2347 Sun, 05 Feb 2023 21:05:36 -0500 http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1332&p=2347#p2347
<![CDATA[Sails & Tuning :: Trying to measure mast rake - no black band :: Author dbrousseau]]> http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=1572&p=2340#p2340
Sounds good but my mast was painted so there's no black band. Anyone have a measurement for the black band location on the mast? Or another rake measurement?

It appears that the headstay is the right length according to the tuning guide. But the backstay looks to be way too long as there is too much slack - the unit bottoms out. Rake, as measured by the main halyard hanging down with a weight on it and measuring from the back of the mast suggests there is far too much rake. So I have a conundrum here. Advice appreciated. Thanks]]>
no_email@example.com (dbrousseau) http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=1572&p=2340#p2340 Wed, 25 Jan 2023 23:03:53 -0500 http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=1572&p=2340#p2340
<![CDATA[Racing Tools and Techniques :: Batten getting caught on backstay in light air :: Reply by Vento Solare]]> http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1014&p=2312#p2312 no_email@example.com (Vento Solare) http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1014&p=2312#p2312 Mon, 28 Nov 2022 11:08:49 -0500 http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1014&p=2312#p2312 <![CDATA[Events & Scheduling :: Compliments to all for the J/109 Nationals in Pequot :: Author Dan Corcoran]]> http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1558&p=2290#p2290 * Great Timing - In the fall and not in annual conflict with Block Island Race Week.
* Dedicated race course (in an off-year to BIRW). This is a treat only to be done on off-years to BIRW IMHO.
* Excellent Host - Pequot Yacht Club with a team of people constantly on the look to offer a hand to visitors.
* Excellent Facilities - Pequot Yacht Club - Nearly all the competitors are side by side on the same dock with adjacent social events, good parking nearby, vehicle loading areas, clean bathrooms, other good amenities, and trains and food within a short walk.
* Excellent Race Committee - Faultless execution in sometimes trying conditions.
* Excellent Protest Committee Hearing, including open format, video of the event, and leadership by Dave Perry.
* Far-Reaching Participation - Lots of boats from out of the area. Thank you to everyone that traveled the extra miles.
* Good Food - Only a few annual events have better food (I am thinking of Stamford Vineyard Race, CYC Vanderbilt Race, to name a few exceptional food choices)
* Good Weather - Would have expected more wind, especially in October. In any event, we got races every day.
* Good Format - Tuesday's joint practice plus 4 days of the racing worked out just right.
* Good Boat Practice - This was much appreciated. Ideally, we would all have come back to the line on-time more often to achieve more practice starts.
* Excellent Cost / Value - The cost was superb given the above and due to affordable housing for our crews nearby.

It is great to be a boat owner in such a strong class.
no_email@example.com (Dan Corcoran) http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1558&p=2290#p2290 Mon, 17 Oct 2022 14:39:59 -0400 http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1558&p=2290#p2290
<![CDATA[Events & Scheduling :: Champlins Discount for Race Week through 12/31/22 :: Author Dan Corcoran]]> http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1566&p=2329#p2329 Strider will be there.]]> no_email@example.com (Dan Corcoran) http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1566&p=2329#p2329 Wed, 28 Dec 2022 15:19:46 -0500 http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1566&p=2329#p2329 <![CDATA[Boats for Sale :: WANTED: Deep Keel J/109 for LI Sound racing :: Reply by Dan Corcoran]]> http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=1549&p=2271#p2271
Are you considering it?]]>
no_email@example.com (Dan Corcoran) http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=1549&p=2271#p2271 Tue, 30 Aug 2022 19:45:18 -0400 http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=1549&p=2271#p2271
<![CDATA[Boats for Sale :: WANTED: J/109 for Racing in the Toronto Area of Lake Ontario :: Author EauZone]]> http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=1553&p=2280#p2280
Any connections would be greatly appreciated (a case of rum will find it's way to you).

Happy to inspect and pick up around Great Lakes or as far south as Chesapeake Bay unless it comes with a trailer.

Thanks in advance.

Stefan Eyram
SV EauZone
Port Credit Yacht Club
Home of the 2022 J/70 North Americans and 2017 J/24 Worlds]]>
no_email@example.com (EauZone) http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=1553&p=2280#p2280 Mon, 26 Sep 2022 18:26:48 -0400 http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=1553&p=2280#p2280
<![CDATA[Boats for Sale :: J109-deep keel wanted northeast :: Author COOP]]> http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=1568&p=2332#p2332 no_email@example.com (COOP) http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=1568&p=2332#p2332 Wed, 04 Jan 2023 11:02:33 -0500 http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=1568&p=2332#p2332 <![CDATA[Sails & Equipment for Sale :: North Spinnakers for sale :: Author bmastror]]> http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=1551&p=2270#p2270 Sail Registration Tag #: 1804892N
Sail Delivery Date: 09/06/2018
Used for 12 days in 2018-19
Excellent condition

2015 North Sails J/109 Class Spinnaker. AIRX 650. White. - SOLD

Located in Newport, RI
Buyer to cover cost for shipping and shipping materials
Email: bmastror@gmail.com]]>
no_email@example.com (bmastror) http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=1551&p=2270#p2270 Sun, 28 Aug 2022 09:11:11 -0400 http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=1551&p=2270#p2270
<![CDATA[Sails & Equipment for Sale :: For Sale: 2022 North A2 Class Spinnaker (108 sq meter) :: Reply by Dan Corcoran]]> http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=1561&p=2315#p2315 no_email@example.com (Dan Corcoran) http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=1561&p=2315#p2315 Thu, 01 Dec 2022 22:26:12 -0500 http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=1561&p=2315#p2315 <![CDATA[Sails & Equipment for Sale :: Looking to purchase Cruising Main J109 :: Reply by Dan Corcoran]]> http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=1557&p=2323#p2323
no_email@example.com (Dan Corcoran) http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=1557&p=2323#p2323 Tue, 20 Dec 2022 14:47:42 -0500 http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=1557&p=2323#p2323
<![CDATA[Sails & Equipment for Sale :: Strider Sails & Equipment for Sale, Easy to purchase, live link here :: Reply by Tjerk]]> http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=1563&p=2334#p2334 no_email@example.com (Tjerk) http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=1563&p=2334#p2334 Fri, 06 Jan 2023 16:23:39 -0500 http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=1563&p=2334#p2334 <![CDATA[Looking to Buy Something :: Wanted: J/109 based in EU :: Author Max Houtzager]]> http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=1569&p=2333#p2333 maxhoutzager@gmail.com.
BR, Max.]]>
no_email@example.com (Max Houtzager) http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=1569&p=2333#p2333 Wed, 04 Jan 2023 12:05:19 -0500 http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=1569&p=2333#p2333