<![CDATA[The J/109 Class Association Forum]]> http://j109.org/forum Fri, 28 Jan 2022 19:59:20 -0500 Smartfeed extension for phpBB http://j109.org/forum/styles/prosilver/theme/images/site_logo.svg <![CDATA[The J/109 Class Association Forum]]> http://j109.org/forum en-us Fri, 28 Jan 2022 19:59:20 -0500 60 <![CDATA[Class Rules Discussions :: Lithium batteries for J/109 class :: Reply by Dan Corcoran]]> http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=1494&p=2114#p2114 - how would you alarm two lithium batteries, to indicate to the owner one in alarm?
- what drop-in lithium batteries are gaining popularity where you are located?

Also interested in which owners have upgraded from their
1. Balmar Smart Regulator, MC-614. Which product did you choose?
2. Shore charger. Which product and model did you choose?
3. Link 20. Which product did you choose?
(I use the Balmar SG200)
4. Choose a small starter battery, how small did you go, what worked for you?
(I use the Odyssey TPPL PC925L, 28Ahr. Note because the charging voltages are different, my house battery is also an Odyssey TPPL, the PC2250)]]>
no_email@example.com (Dan Corcoran) http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=1494&p=2114#p2114 Mon, 15 Nov 2021 21:54:23 -0500 http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=1494&p=2114#p2114
<![CDATA[Class Rules Discussions :: SS rod below backstay hydraulic pump :: Reply by Vento Solare]]> http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=1496&p=2122#p2122
Replacing it with Dyneema is not class legal.

An additional feature the rod provides is a convenient place to hold on when getting on and off the boat using the swim ladder. This is true both in the water and after the boat is hauled. Thinner Dyneema might be a little harder on the hands for this.]]>
no_email@example.com (Vento Solare) http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=1496&p=2122#p2122 Fri, 19 Nov 2021 06:43:26 -0500 http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=1496&p=2122#p2122
<![CDATA[Class Rules Discussions :: Making the inhauler adjustable on both ends. :: Reply by Vento Solare]]> http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=1499&p=2137#p2137
I'll let the measurer comment with the official interpretation but this I believe is allowed. The applicable section in the class rules states:

4.3.7 The Jib may be in hauled forward of the mast with the lazy sheet or behind the mast in a horizontal manner with a control line system

For history when the class discussed the rule change to allowing inhaulers there were questions on whether an exact configuration should be specified or if owners should be allowed to use various padeyes, turning blocks and attachment points to configure their own style system. Ultimately the wording above was proposed and voted on which does allow flexibility on how an inhaul system may be configured. You can see some of the configurations owners have implemented posted in this thread.]]>
no_email@example.com (Vento Solare) http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=1499&p=2137#p2137 Tue, 23 Nov 2021 07:42:26 -0500 http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=1499&p=2137#p2137
<![CDATA[Maintenance Topics :: Harken Furling System :: Reply by Vento Solare]]> http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1475&p=2073#p2073 no_email@example.com (Vento Solare) http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1475&p=2073#p2073 Tue, 17 Aug 2021 12:11:50 -0400 http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1475&p=2073#p2073 <![CDATA[Maintenance Topics :: Alternator Belt Dust Fix :: Reply by Vento Solare]]> http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1100&p=2088#p2088 here on the Balmar site and match to your engine / alternator.]]> no_email@example.com (Vento Solare) http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1100&p=2088#p2088 Fri, 10 Sep 2021 20:58:53 -0400 http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1100&p=2088#p2088 <![CDATA[Maintenance Topics :: Project Costs, Input Welcome :: Reply by Vento Solare]]> http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1495&p=2125#p2125
Yes - it just unscrews. The replacement seacock assembly is Yanmar 196420-02290 and costs about $70]]>
no_email@example.com (Vento Solare) http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1495&p=2125#p2125 Sat, 20 Nov 2021 18:24:58 -0500 http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1495&p=2125#p2125
<![CDATA[Maintenance Topics :: Bilge Drainage, Starboard Battery Storage :: Reply by Vento Solare]]> http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1498&p=2131#p2131
One of my winter projects this year is to pull out everything, clean and repaint the bilge.]]>
no_email@example.com (Vento Solare) http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1498&p=2131#p2131 Mon, 22 Nov 2021 15:05:56 -0500 http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1498&p=2131#p2131
<![CDATA[Maintenance Topics :: Bilge drainage, between bilges :: Reply by Vento Solare]]> http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1497&p=2132#p2132
Better solution is to find and fix the source of water, and periodically clean out the limber holes. Make it an annual requirement and you should be fine.]]>
no_email@example.com (Vento Solare) http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1497&p=2132#p2132 Mon, 22 Nov 2021 15:09:38 -0500 http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1497&p=2132#p2132
<![CDATA[Maintenance Topics :: Sealant replacement or maintenance? :: Reply by Dan Corcoran]]> http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1492&p=2146#p2146
Before I embark on this project, any advice on how to make the new seal look as good as the old?


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no_email@example.com (Dan Corcoran) http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1492&p=2146#p2146 Sun, 05 Dec 2021 22:44:24 -0500 http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1492&p=2146#p2146
<![CDATA[Maintenance Topics :: propane solenoid failure ? :: Reply by Mvallus]]> http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1507&p=2151#p2151
The second, and most recent, sounds very similar to your issue. You may just need a new solenoid, but in my case the fix actually turned out to be rewiring a new ground wire to the solenoid. I am not sure what happened to the original ground because tracing it through the system was not easy and everything behind the LPG breaker looked OK. You could probably test if this is the issue by simply adding a new ground wire and touching it to the steering pedestal or something and see if the circuit is completed and the solenoid switches. Once I figured out this was the issue the hardest thing was crawling behind the locker to re-wire. I just attached the ground to a ground that was in the lazarette. Probably not the best solution, but it worked.

Phoenix 251]]>
no_email@example.com (Mvallus) http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1507&p=2151#p2151 Sat, 15 Jan 2022 12:34:51 -0500 http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1507&p=2151#p2151
<![CDATA[Maintenance Topics :: Chain plate construction error resulting in deck distortion :: Reply by morganscloud]]> http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1506&p=2153#p2153
We now have it fixed as described.

While we were at this, we pulled the full chain plate assembles and had them NDT tested, which they passed.

We also found a chain plate knee port side coming away from the hull due to poor bonding when the boat was built. Now have that all ground out and fixed right with biaxial cloth and epoxy resin. I will post more on that when we finish. And I will add to this thread on putting the chainplates back and torquing the bolts and tie bars.]]>
no_email@example.com (morganscloud) http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1506&p=2153#p2153 Sat, 15 Jan 2022 15:57:14 -0500 http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1506&p=2153#p2153
<![CDATA[Maintenance Topics :: Mast touch up :: Author Mvallus]]> http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1508&p=2154#p2154 no_email@example.com (Mvallus) http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1508&p=2154#p2154 Sat, 22 Jan 2022 13:38:37 -0500 http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1508&p=2154#p2154 <![CDATA[Sails & Tuning :: Removing the Mast :: Reply by TSweather]]> http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=1486&p=2093#p2093 Next season I'm planning to get a new mast boot to put over the spartite as windward sheeting has shredded ours.
Cheers to a productive off-season, Todd

no_email@example.com (TSweather) http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=1486&p=2093#p2093 Tue, 05 Oct 2021 18:43:09 -0400 http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=1486&p=2093#p2093
<![CDATA[Sails & Tuning :: Mast base location? :: Reply by Kapama]]> http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=1060&p=2118#p2118 I´ve been enthusiatic for the boat since 2012, when I crewed one for about 3 seasons. In the end I succeded.

I followed the procedure recommended for correct position of mast base; I elongated the drilled holes in the aluminium bracket to 25 mm.
Unfortunately the metric thread in grp-structure below the bracket 3 of 4 are worn out.

I´m thinking of drilling an inspection port to the grp-structure inside the mast base to use nuts on the bottom side
and by the way have a close inspection to whats in below.

Did somebody here do like that?
What do you think about it?

Thank you for swarm intelligence and support

Tschüß, Jörn]]>
no_email@example.com (Kapama) http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=1060&p=2118#p2118 Wed, 17 Nov 2021 16:03:36 -0500 http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=1060&p=2118#p2118
<![CDATA[Sails & Tuning :: Sails and Rules :: Reply by bartvet]]> http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=1502&p=2142#p2142
Thanks as usual!

no_email@example.com (bartvet) http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=1502&p=2142#p2142 Tue, 30 Nov 2021 16:16:11 -0500 http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=1502&p=2142#p2142
<![CDATA[Racing Tools and Techniques :: Shoal Draft Polars :: Reply by Vento Solare]]> http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1487&p=2092#p2092


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no_email@example.com (Vento Solare) http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1487&p=2092#p2092 Sun, 03 Oct 2021 15:16:04 -0400 http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1487&p=2092#p2092
<![CDATA[Racing Tools and Techniques :: J/109 top ten for singlehanded? :: Reply by jkalucki]]> http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1500&p=2138#p2138
Having the main sheet and traveller as they are has to be a big win over cruising sheet setups on the coach roof. Lead the cunningham, vang and inhauler to a roof cleat, generally set-and-forget the outhaul, unless on long downwind legs, and you'll rarely need to leave the center of the cockpit. It is slow to go behind the wheel to adjust the backstay and the autopilot though. A Tides Marine mast track takes most of the fuss out of the main -- it's not rolling-furling main Beneteau Oceanis easy, but pretty close.

Due to the recent unpleasantness, I've raced her singlehanded against doublehanded and fully crewed boats about a dozen times, and can often make it to the first windward mark with, or, rarely, ahead, of the fleet -- and can usually finish before at least one fully crewed boat. (Impossible to keep up the pace for multiple legs though. Crews always, eventually, win out.)

Docking is indeed a challenge in a cross-wind. It's a fairly light boat and I'm occasionally envious of neighbors with heavy racer/cruisers. I've a predominantly upwind slip, where wind blows about 30 degrees off port bow. Even though it sometimes gusts in the low thirties in the slip on summer afternoons, I've rarely made contact with the dock singlehanded. If it's blowing over say 12-15 abeam, I'll do boat chores instead.]]>
no_email@example.com (jkalucki) http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1500&p=2138#p2138 Tue, 23 Nov 2021 13:21:24 -0500 http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1500&p=2138#p2138
<![CDATA[Events & Scheduling :: 92nd SCYA MIDWINTER REGATTA - FEB 12-13 & 19-20 :: Author sfbarber]]> http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1505&p=2148#p2148

Long Beach YC – Feb 12/13 – Farr 40, Shock 35 & J 109


California YC – Feb 19/20 – Martin 242, Star, J 24, Tartan 101, J 70 & J 109

Register here:
https://scyamidwinterregatta.org/expect ... ses-dates/


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no_email@example.com (sfbarber) http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1505&p=2148#p2148 Wed, 15 Dec 2021 12:21:35 -0500 http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1505&p=2148#p2148
<![CDATA[Crew Position Wanted/Available :: 2021 Fall Classic :: Author 35601]]> http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=1488&p=2094#p2094 Thanks Dan]]> no_email@example.com (35601) http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=1488&p=2094#p2094 Thu, 07 Oct 2021 19:26:15 -0400 http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=1488&p=2094#p2094 <![CDATA[Cruising Topics :: Interior cushions :: Reply by carlbraden]]> http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=1480&p=2077#p2077
I had a full new set of cushions made back in 2013 by Ken' Canvas and Cushions Inc. <kenscanvasandcushions@verizon.net> they are in Rhide Island.

Great result with perfect fit as they have the design templates.
Here is a number I also found - Kenny (401-480-3147)
Good luck.

no_email@example.com (carlbraden) http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=1480&p=2077#p2077 Tue, 24 Aug 2021 21:28:32 -0400 http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=1480&p=2077#p2077
<![CDATA[Boats for Sale :: For Sale: 2005 J109, #241, Northeast FL, ask $113,900 :: Author ctsailor55]]> http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=1482&p=2076#p2076 Note: we did win our class at 2021 St. Augustine race week with 5 out of 6 first places!

Hull #241 lived on Lake Michigan from new in 2005 until fall of 2018 when I bought it. It was sailed May until Oct. every year then stored in a heated shed until next season. Sailing season in WI is short! The first time this boat saw salt water was in late May 2019. The first owner raced the boat somewhat and the second owner didn't race at all.

I put on a coat of Interprotect 2000 on the entire bottom, hull, rudder, and keel before anti fouling paint in 2019. The saildrive had 5 coats of Interprotect 2000 before I put on Trilux 33 prior to launch. The correct Yanmar split ring zinc was installed prior to launch (and replaced as needed since). Many other upgrades too many to list here (new Gebo hatch handles, new Harken traveler bearings, etc.).

I replaced all navigation lights with LEDs in 2019 (including a fore deck that was not OEM). Also, in 2019, I installed a full B&G NMEA 2000 system that includes 4 Triton displays, speed, depth, GPS/compass sensors, and a mast mount wind sensor hard wired to the N2K bus. A new Standard Horizon VHF with remote mic was also added. I also cleaned up all the prior system wiring left behind (including the stereo system).

The boat came with a Quantum main and class jib. Both are in good condition. There are 2 Quantum spinnakers and both are still crispy, in excellent condition. The 2nd may not have even been used! In 2019, I added a new Doyle Graph X (carbon/technora) 130% genoa. It's in excellent condition. In 2020, I bought a new Doyle high tech racing dacron main that is in nearly new condition.

#241 has the factory cockpit box, 120v system with galvanic isolator and battery charger, dodger, custom wheel and pedestal cover and the factory larger Balmar alternator. I upgraded the OEM V belts to a serpentine belt system in 2019 (way better, no belt dusting).

Having owned both versions (hulls #261 and #241), they both feel the same when sailing, just depends how much water you have and your local conditions. :)

I bought this boat at good price. I'll sell at a good price too. Recent medical issues result in little time for my use.
I have a very detailed email list I can send as well as many photos.

For more information and details, please call Mark at 860-304-3844 or email to: econmar@sbcglobal.net.]]>
no_email@example.com (ctsailor55) http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=1482&p=2076#p2076 Thu, 19 Aug 2021 18:28:36 -0400 http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=1482&p=2076#p2076
<![CDATA[Boats for Sale :: J109 for sale Europe :: Author Tzigane]]> http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=1501&p=2139#p2139 Boat is sold. Thank you all for responding!

no_email@example.com (Tzigane) http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=1501&p=2139#p2139 Wed, 24 Nov 2021 18:09:40 -0500 http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=1501&p=2139#p2139
<![CDATA[Sails & Equipment for Sale :: Sold: 2017 North 3Di Main :: Author JohnGreifzu]]> http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=1483&p=2078#p2078
Used for class racing until 2019. Still a lot of life left in the sail. Picture was August 18, 2021 in 8 knots of breeze.

Asking $2,750. Sail in CT. Strongly prefer local pick-up. Email: johngreifzu@gmail.com



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no_email@example.com (JohnGreifzu) http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=1483&p=2078#p2078 Sat, 28 Aug 2021 16:24:27 -0400 http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=1483&p=2078#p2078
<![CDATA[Sails & Equipment for Sale :: SOLD - 2015 North Code Zero - $2500 :: Author JohnGreifzu]]> http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=1484&p=2079#p2079 johngreifzu@gmail.com.



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no_email@example.com (JohnGreifzu) http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=1484&p=2079#p2079 Sat, 28 Aug 2021 16:35:33 -0400 http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=1484&p=2079#p2079
<![CDATA[Sails & Equipment for Sale :: Sold: Sails for Sale - SUNY Maritime (Bronx), NY :: Reply by Jrod66]]> http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=1340&p=2081#p2081 Do you still have any spinnaker available for sell?]]> no_email@example.com (Jrod66) http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=1340&p=2081#p2081 Thu, 02 Sep 2021 11:25:25 -0400 http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=1340&p=2081#p2081 <![CDATA[Sails & Equipment for Sale :: 130 SQ Meter Spinnaker For Sale :: Reply by Jrod66]]> http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=1470&p=2082#p2082
Trying to contact you about this spinnaker.
Still for sale?
no_email@example.com (Jrod66) http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=1470&p=2082#p2082 Mon, 06 Sep 2021 11:57:45 -0400 http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=1470&p=2082#p2082
<![CDATA[Sails & Equipment for Sale :: Sold: Torqeedo 1003S Long Shaft for Sale :: Author 17802]]> http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=1489&p=2095#p2095 godowdtbd@hotmail.com). Located on CT shoreline.]]> no_email@example.com (17802) http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=1489&p=2095#p2095 Tue, 19 Oct 2021 12:31:09 -0400 http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=1489&p=2095#p2095 <![CDATA[Sails & Equipment for Sale :: Sold: Zoom 260 Inflatable w/Plywood Floor For Sale :: Author 17802]]> http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=1490&p=2096#p2096 godowdtbd@hotmail.com). Located on CT shoreline.]]> no_email@example.com (17802) http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=1490&p=2096#p2096 Tue, 19 Oct 2021 12:37:53 -0400 http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=1490&p=2096#p2096 <![CDATA[Sails & Equipment for Sale :: 2008 West Marine 9' SB 275 Inflatable :: Author JohnGreifzu]]> http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=1493&p=2105#p2105 johngreifzu@gmail.com



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no_email@example.com (JohnGreifzu) http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=1493&p=2105#p2105 Fri, 29 Oct 2021 14:39:46 -0400 http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=1493&p=2105#p2105
<![CDATA[Sails & Equipment for Sale :: Wanted J 109 Mainsail :: Reply by 35601]]> http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=1485&p=2106#p2106 no_email@example.com (35601) http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=1485&p=2106#p2106 Sun, 31 Oct 2021 20:15:41 -0400 http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=1485&p=2106#p2106 <![CDATA[Sails & Equipment for Sale :: North 3Di 3DL Racing Sails :: Reply by fxalbert]]> http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=1491&p=2120#p2120
Thanks, Frank Albert]]>
no_email@example.com (fxalbert) http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=1491&p=2120#p2120 Thu, 18 Nov 2021 22:08:52 -0500 http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=1491&p=2120#p2120
<![CDATA[Sails & Equipment for Sale :: Wanted Jib for club racing :: Author 35601]]> http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=1509&p=2155#p2155 I'm looking for a good used Wed night jib.
Anyone got one they are interested in selling?]]>
no_email@example.com (35601) http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=1509&p=2155#p2155 Tue, 25 Jan 2022 17:39:59 -0500 http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=1509&p=2155#p2155
<![CDATA[Looking to Buy Something :: Cabin cushions :: Author cls]]> http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=1481&p=2075#p2075

no_email@example.com (cls) http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=1481&p=2075#p2075 Thu, 19 Aug 2021 03:03:52 -0400 http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=1481&p=2075#p2075
<![CDATA[Looking to Buy Something :: WANTED: J/109 USA :: Reply by lgreenlee]]> http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=1503&p=2145#p2145
I will do my best, hopefully we can do some racing next year.

no_email@example.com (lgreenlee) http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=1503&p=2145#p2145 Fri, 03 Dec 2021 21:37:16 -0500 http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=1503&p=2145#p2145
<![CDATA[Looking to Buy Something :: Looking to buy J109 :: Author dbrousseau]]> http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=1504&p=2147#p2147 daniel7245@gmail.com]]> no_email@example.com (dbrousseau) http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=1504&p=2147#p2147 Mon, 06 Dec 2021 19:04:55 -0500 http://j109.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=1504&p=2147#p2147